Original Sin and The Sinful Nature : Sex, Sexuality and Homosexuality

Stray's picture

Okay, I don't mean to harp on the homosexual issue, but the real issue that I've been discussing (to myself, probably... but anyway :) ) at my own blog is one of original sin. I'm applying my thoughts to sexuality and homosexuality to drive my point home. This is a doctrinal issue, and one that I think if understood correctly can help us understand how we can truly see ourselves, and understand our relationship with God much better.

You may find my wrestling with this issue of original sin and the sinful nature interesting by visiting my blog.

The below is part 3 of my series, you can see part one directly through these links :

Original Sin and the Sinful nature Pt. 1

Original Sin and The Sinful nature Pt. 2

Remember, these take you to my blog site. You are welcome to comment on this post at my blog or here, I don't mind.

So, here is the blog entry: it's a bit of a read, I know...

Original Sin and The Sinful Nature pt. 3 : Sex, Sexuality and Homosexuality

I'm going to use pt. 3 in a way that represents – more practically – what I am trying to say through my discussion, and see how it would apply to one of the hardest issues of the 'sinful nature' that we all seem to experience : sexuality.

In particular, I'm going to look at homosexuality at the end, as it's my opinion that this has become a problem because of the following issues:

1. A real lack of understanding that a sin does not equal an identity (ie. if you struggle with homosexuality, that does not mean your identity is 'homosexual.' Your identity is in Christ, if you have believed in Him for salvation.)

2. A lack of understanding about Grace. God is not here measuring how 'right' or 'wrong' we get things, but is in the process of growing us into Christ- of being (becoming) conformed to the image of His Son. This thing is a process, and within the Christian life sin may lead to death (Romans 6) but does not lead to eternal destruction (the whole New Testament!) 'Right' and 'Wrong' is now an issue of growth: we discipline our children to grow them, and to bring them into something better; not to judge and condemn them. God is now the same with us (but, let me say, the Christian life is NOT one that's all about discipline!)

3. A lack of understanding about Original Sin. (summarized below.)
4. A lack of understanding about sexuality and sexual desire (the core of my blog entry.)

I'll try to keep things short!

Okay, so the first two posts have really been centering on point 3 above – original sin. So far, I've come to the following very real conclusions :

1. Sin is not a natural phenomenon; it's unnatural.

2. The sinful nature is a twisting of the human nature. In other words, the human nature (as it was created by God) is not the sinful nature. Rather, the sinful nature is a corruption of the created human nature.

3. The Christian life is one of healing our nature, not one of killing it. In other words, Jesus 'untwists' and 'uncorrupts' our nature to line up with the original created form and intention. He is perfect in every way, and we are to be conformed to this perfection as we walk the Christian life. This is another way of seeing point 2 above. The Christian life is one of healing. Biblical reference? The life and person Jesus. He makes us 'whole.' Mortification of sin does not mean mortification of humanness. In fact, it's intention is to lead to the very opposite.

4. Our desires are all good and natural, created by God, beautiful and wonderful in every way. But since we are born without God, our desires and body begin to control us instead of the other way around. The only way to put things back into the proper order (which is far more beautiful and enjoyable) is to submit them to the creator himself. The only way that happens is through the Holy Spirit. The only way that happens is to trust Jesus Christ for your salvation, which means you place all these matters AND your eternal destiny in the hands of Jesus. How? Simple. You ask Him, and He does it.

5. Because we are born into death, our natural desire to live goes haywire. We inherit death from our parents, which results in a sinful nature. Why? Because we are born into death, not born into or with God. Since we were created to be in constant fellowship with God, our creator, being born without that fellowship and relationship results in the created being (us) twisting and turning on itself; resulting, I think, in the body becoming the focus/control rather than the body being a servant. As another writer (I can't remember who) put it : the body is a wonderful servant, but a horrible master.

Okay, that summarizes things to the best of my ability without getting too technical and deep. So, it's easy to see how sexuality now fits in with this.

Firstly, the above then says that our sexuality and sexual desires are all GOOD and wonderful; God created them, and he created pleasure, and I think God is delighted when we enjoy his creation (why wouldn't He be?)

This is part of the reason why He is so serious about how we express our sexuality, and how we satisfy our totally normal and good and natural desire for sex or intimacy. Because, he wants us to enjoy his creation. But when our desires control us, instead of us controlling our desires (ie, our desires become our master instead of us being master of our desires) we actually find ourselves enjoying His creation less. Things become a mess : we lose relationships, family; things become tainted with guilt; we struggle to understand ourselves and our identity etc. We basically live lives that are far less enjoyable and delightful than God intended. Although having our sexual desire control us may be pleasurable, it is far less pleasurable than being in control of our sexual desires. Besides, anyone with half a brain knows that having your sexual desires control you becomes an absolute nightmare, and we ALL end up going further than we originally ever intended. A porn addiction always starts with 'just a peek' but ends up in a mess of watching violent sex and desiring to be a part of what you watch. From there, it can go a number of ways; all of them horrible in their consequences. I don't know of any man who has gone down that road who doesn't wish (now) that he didn't have control over his sexual desires. Despite what TV or porn may tell us, no one is truly enjoying it, especially in the sense of COMPLETE enjoyment – ie. no one is enjoying their sexual addiction on spiritual or relational levels (amongst others.) Porn stars like Jenna Jameson insist that “they're enjoying their life” but that's a real relative statement. Are they enjoying living as much as God, their creator, does? I doubt that. “To each his own, whatever blows your hair back” some say, but I disagree with that and agree with CS Lewis here (taken from The Weight of Glory and Other Addresses) :

“If there lurks in most modern minds the notion that to desire our own good and earnestly to hope for the enjoyment of it is a bad thing, I submit that this notion has crept in from Kant and the Stoics and is no part of the Christian faith. Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition, when infinite joy is offered us; like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.”

When it comes to sex and sexual desire, the problem is that many are living in a cave when God wants to take them out of their cave and see, enjoy, smell, experience, taste, feel, hear the big wide world; and enjoy it! In other words, he really wants to satisfy our desire, but he wants to show us how we can be truly satisfied.

So, we see that our sexual desire is not wrong: how we satisfy it is the problem. We can see that we are not created with an internal dualism of 'sinful nature' and something else, but we are born as corrupted beings whom Jesus wants to uncorrupt. So, in this case, God wants to HEAL our sexual desire and bring it into his original intention. He doesn't want to kill it, he wants to heal it so that we can truly enjoy it; and truly enjoy who we are.

We are sexual beings, but that's not all we are. How we express our sexuality does not clarify our gender either. Since we are created beings, our creator has already decided how we are to express our sexuality. If this wasn't the case, then homosexuality would be a gender, not an expression. And, if homosexuality is a gender, then I don't see how a Christian could argue against it. But it seems evident to me that homosexuality is not a gender, regardless of what any physcologist may say.

What about hermaphrodites? Well, most of the world aren't hermaphrodites and therefore we can't try and apply our situation into theirs. I can't say “well, if God creates hermaphrodites, then he creates homosexuality.” I think we do a little bit of a jump in that case.

Okay, but if there's nothing wrong with sexual desire is there anything wrong with the desires of the homosexual? I know that most homosexuals didn't ask to have a desire for the same sex, but I didn't ask for the desire to have sex with as many women as possible either. That is an issue of lust, which has come as a result of my true nature and real desires being corrupted and twisted. My struggle with that is also not where I place my identity. My identity is in Christ, the perfect human, not in a twisted and corrupted nature.

Is homosexuality an issue of lust? Yes, and no. My desire for intimacy and for a woman isn't an issue of lust. However, it is most certainly an issue when that desire is expressed in a way that doesn't line up with God's created order; when it is expressed in an 'unnatural' way. The key here is getting to the core of our sexual desire, which is a desire for intimacy and closeness and pleasure and acceptance and a whole lot of things that aren't really bodily. Yes, there is a bodily part of sexual desire, but that bodily part needs to be secondary; if it becomes primary, I allow my body to decide for me how I should act and behave, and that's hardly beneficial to me or anyone. I'm not saying the body is evil (this is my point, it isn't!) and I'm not saying the body doesn't count. What I'm saying is that we are whole beings, and therefore our desire for sex is not JUST bodily, but a whole lot of other things too. We need to approach sex holistically, not on separate levels. True, the church has quite often made it all a spiritual issue. Also true, the world and psychology makes it all a bodily issue. All of these things need to be in proper balance in order for my desires to function correctly. So, these other issues are really my true desires within sexual desire, and the same is true for the homosexual.

Therefore, my conclusion is that the person with homosexual desires struggles with lust differently to what I do. Both of our sexual desires are the same, but the way in which we struggle to submit them to God, and the way we struggle to express our sexuality in a natural way (ie, the creator's way) is different. Homosexuals were not created to have homosexual desires; I was not created to have totally overboard and animalistic desires for women. We were both not created to be lustful beings, even though we were created as sexual beings. We were created to express our sexuality within the created order of God, and we were created to truly enjoy our sexuality and enjoy who God created us to be. I was created to enjoy being a man. Homosexuality actually destroys me truly enjoying who I was created to be.

Your desires controlling you is not a natural situation; it's unnatural. We all have to struggle with our unnatural state, and we trust Jesus to heal it and form it back into what he originally intended : so that we can truly just be human, which is what God intended us to be. In Christ we can relax and just be, and just be who he created us to be, and allow him to heal us into true humanity; humanity as he created and intended.

I know that many homosexuals may see this as an overly simplistic look, and that it's easy for me to say this since I don't desire for the same sex. Well, it's not easy for me to say. I've had to struggle to submit my own haywire sexual desire for women to God; and that aint easy either. It's wholly unfair to me for a homosexual to say their struggle is worse than mine. I don't think it is. I think it's just different. I don't think the paedophile's struggle is more difficult either. I think it's the same : just different. We ALL need Christ to take our sexual desires and heal them into his true, created, human, way. For this reason, any person who passes judgement on someone else's sexual struggles has missed the point. Justice and righteousness is important; all of us should be treated equally. Therefore, don't judge the homosexual. Love them as God does.

As for justice and righteousness, we ought to be moving our society into a place where God's original created intention is expressed. But that (in discussing homosexual marriage) is for another post.

So, I leave us all (me too) with a challenge that is in love and, I believe, on God's heart. Submit your sexuality, your sexual desire, and your body to God. Let him restore all of these things to his original, most pleasurable, most delightful, most enjoyable, intention.

Allow Him to make you truly man, or truly woman : truly human.

Comments

Original sin

I read the first part of your blog article, and thought I wouldn't comment there, because the Orthodox understanding of original sin seems pretty far from the Reformed understanding and I don't think other people's blogs is the best place to get into such discussions.

I suppose one of the difference is that the Reforemd understanding seems to be that sin is primarily something God punishes us for, whereas the Orthodox understanding is that sin is primarily something God rescues us from.

Original sin (in the Orthodox understanding) arises from the fact that the world lies in the power of the evil one (I John 5:19), but since Christ has won the victory over the evil one, his power is strictly limited.

nicpaton's picture

hard work

Stray
You have put a lot of work in here. I'd like to do it justice, and will do so when I get a chance.

wayne's picture

Long read.

Thanks for the post. It is a bit long for me to go through in detail now, but I will give it a thorough read it when I have a bit more time. If needed I will add my critiques.

My first critique is that your argument is based on the heterosexist assumption that homosexuality is a perversion of the natural. You need to justify that assumption in order to make the argument hold.

Stray's picture

Thanks Wayne

Thanks Wayne for the comments. It is a long read, especially if it's not really 'a scratch where you itch.'

Firstly, the post is more about original sin and the sinful nature than homosexuality. But, yes, I have (assumed) that homosexuality is a corruption of the natural because of the basic gender issue. I can't see homosexuality as a gender. That is really one of the ways I think I'm justified in saying so.

I need to say, pretty bluntly, that I'm not being offensive to anyone; nor homophobic; nor hyper-fundamentalistic about it (ie. narrow minded.) If homosexuality is damaging to a person in any way or form, we should ensure we see it aright. I know that rabid extreme fundamentalism is also damaging to people too, and that means that it is not of God either.

The point is that healing is a process. This includes 'sexual healing.' Healing can sometimes happen quickly; sometimes not. To blame the person for the slow process is where the fundamentalists get it wrong. If the Christian life is one of continuous healing, the homosexual should not be surprised that their struggle is a difficult and long road...

www.ryanpeterwrites.com
"The Glory of God is man fully alive" - St Iraneaus

Hope I'm not just focusing on a few minor issues here

1) I agree with wayne that the premise of the naturalness or unnaturalness of homosexuality is pivotal to the argument.
2) I agree that sexual lust has many forms and we need to be freed from that perversion (of course the big question is hetrosexual marriage the only solution? - the orthodox view says yes)
3) I'm not sure what the distinct delineating line is between identity and actions (in this case sin). Maybe more of that later please. I've always held to the who you are is what you do philosophy which makes peoples identities complex ... which I think reflects life.

Anyway there is my two cents. By the way I put forward a very rough alternative approach to Original Sin on my website www.theenvoy.wordpress.com

Cheers
paul for TheEnvoy

Stray's picture

Pivotal

Thanks Paul,

Yes, homosexuality as natural or unnatural is pivotal to the argument in many ways (I can see now what you guys mean.) But I just don't want this debate to turn into a 'stray you hate homosexuals' type of debate.

The issue still sits around gender in my mind. Let's be honest : it's a little lame to assert that I as a heterosexual man (whatever that actually means) am not able to be homosexual (whatever that actually means as well.) As lame as it is to say that homosexuals didn't choose to have a homosexual attraction, it's equally lame to assert that I can't choose to be sexually attracted to men if I want.

Those who argue FOR homosexuality generally claim that Romans 1 talks of people who go against THEIR nature, not against nature itself. In fact, they would say that if a man is homosexual he may be sinning in trying to be heterosexual because he is naturally homosexual. Thus, he goes against nature by not going with his own nature.

They also generally claim that if a man is NOT homosexual, but engages in some form of homosexual activity, then he sins because he is naturally heterosexual.

The problem I have with that argument is that we have no way of proving whether I myself am homosexual or heterosexual. Is gender decided by our natural body form, or by our sexual preference? So, we know that I am a male, but we don't know if I might be a homosexual. How do I know if I am actually, naturally, heterosexual? No one really knows for sure. So, I don't know if I'm perhaps sinning against nature by being a heterosexual; I may, in fact, be homosexual.

Let me provide an example of what I mean. Have I been attracted to men before? Well, now this is debatable. How do you define 'attracted?' Have I ever looked at a guy and said, "that's a good looking guy." Any male is able to at least know when a guy is good-looking and has a great body. Since I have done that many times, does that mean I am homosexual? Does that mean I am 'attracted' to men? What does 'attracted' truly mean? Sexually aroused? Or that I have a pretty good idea about what attractive looks like? I know that some assert that if I admitted enough times that men are 'attractive' that means I am homosexual. So, maybe I am. Maybe I'm not. How the heck do I really know?

I used to be quite metro-sexual about my hair and stuff, and (as a Christian) I would very rarely comment about women at the office (well, at least not in the way that the non-christian guys would.) Because of these two factors, some at the office thought that I *might* be homosexual but just didn't know. In fact, one girl came up and said to me that she thought I was and that I should probably 'find out' if I was. How do you 'find out' if you're homosexual?

At the end of the day, whether I am homosexual is relative, not absolute. If this is the case then in itself we have a major issue in knowing who is homosexual, who isn't, and who is - ultimately - sinning against nature. Liberals that are for homosexuality would have pretty much no ability whatsoever to pastor anyone in their sexuality because there is no true definition of gender. If gender switches to sexual preference, no one would have any idea what 'gender' they actually are - left only to 'find out' somehow. Some, in fact, may just 'choose' and how would they ever know whether they chose correctly according to God's natural design for them? It's hard enough to know what vocation God wants you to go into...

Those who claim to be 'bisexual' throw a spanner into the works here. Is bisexuality a gender?

I would find it incredibly strange that God created four genders (male, female, homosexual and bisexual) with only two natural forms in which to express them in. And if sexual preference becomes gender, then we have to consider peodophilia too...

Please bear in mind that I'm not being condescending to anyone in saying these things. I'm simply trying to establish whether it is valid to call homosexuality a gender. Because, if it is then yes : homosexuality could be natural. If it isn't, well then the argument that homosexuality is not natural is pretty much conclusive.

I know that 'heterosexual' is not considered a gender, but a sexual preference. Should we conclude that sexual preferences are, in fact, a gender? How does anyone know, for certain, what gender they are then?

With that in mind, I'm quite confident that Romans 1 is talking of homosexuality being unnatural - ie, a result of our corrupted (and corrupting) nature.

www.ryanpeterwrites.com
"The Glory of God is man fully alive" - St Iraneaus

envoy's picture

multi-gendered humanity

Stray,

I think you're on the right track with focusing on gender as the architecture of our maleness and femaleness.

Admittedly, I haven't read your full series (well done for putting yourself forward on a tough and emotive issue) but my concern relates to helping people relate to and grow toward intimacy with Godde.

It would seem to me that the issue is framed against an emotional backdrop. Men and women, whether hetero- or homo-sexual seek relationship with Godde. Often those Christians (and even non-Christians) who have given up the struggle to deny their homo-sexuality in order to live as a hetero-sexual find themselves deliberately and maliciously excluded from Christian worship and Christian community and by implication a relationship with Godde.

Assuming homosexuality is not acceptable to Godde and that S/He does not approve but chooses, through Christ, to look over such 'sin' in order to relate freely to such persons, what implication does this have for us?

Envoy

Stray's picture

Church model the main challenge IMHO

Thanks Envoy, I think you're right on where the issue is at its most needed to be discussed : "helping people relate to and grow toward intimacy with Godde."

Personally I think that that issue relates around church model. As is often said, “the best place to fall is within family” as family should be able to help you up and restore you. A great deal of churches don't really have a structure that truly supports an idea of family, regardless of what their big sign outside the church might claim.

A 'counselling' situation is not a family situation. While counselling has helped many people, it only goes so far in true healing. What people need are meaningful relationships with people who truly love them enough to challenge them AND see them through. Those are the kind of relationships I want : people who are truly committed to me, and truly love me. Those are what real friendships are always about.

If a person struggling with sexual issues is being snubbed by a particular church, this could be for two reasons that I see : (1) the person is not willing to actually be loved, or (2) the church is not willing to love the person.

(2) is a church model thing – heirarchial structures, distant shepherding, hard shepherding, or no shepherding at all (ie. Everything but friendship, family, true brotherly love shepherding.)

As far as (1) above is concerned, 'acceptance' is not the be all and end all of love. Acceptance may be a start, but it is always acceptance of the person. Then, growth and shepherding towards healing (even if it hurts) is what I would term real love.

Well, that's the way I see it anyway. I think our main challenge is a change in church model, more than a change within our stances on sin.

www.ryanpeterwrites.com
"The Glory of God is man fully alive" - St Iraneaus

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